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Re: [EP-tech] please close the Bazaar

In the mean time, someone could upload current working version of the
main plugins? DOI, DataCite, ORCID, what else? At least, we could be up
to date now and make people happy :-)


Thanks to all for the great analysis and knowledge, mine "please close
the Bazaar" was just a way to discuss the topic, I think Eprints has
great technologies and, with a little effort, is a great product to work on.


Il 27/03/19 10:38, Denis Pitzalis via Eprints-tech ha scritto:


Please note that it would be better if the Bazaar supports also GitLab
and custom git repositories. For example I have a custom repo for
Drupal composer (in this case all the plugins are private, but this is
a choice) https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frepository.unesco.org%2Fdrupal%2F&amp;data=01%7C01%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C184398fe8e1e4bb83c6a08d6b29e1230%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&amp;sdata=OOqUBjw835s8L6d4CT%2FsWtcxgNirbHFm8VgiLwH5sXY%3D&amp;reserved=0 and I can image to use
the same internal repo for modules for my mediabank


Denis



On 27/03/2019 10:29, Newman D.R. via Eprints-tech wrote:


Hi all,


I think we can break down what needs to be done into several separate
points:


*1. Remove existing crud (old plugins that no longer work properly or
plugins that were broken from the get go).*

I know that there have been attempts to do this in the recent past to
tidy some old plugins up.  However, this can be a difficult process
and unless it is unequivocably clear a plugin should be removed, an
individual Bazaar admin may not want to take that unilateral action
for fear of getting into an argument with the plugin's creator.  If a
number of individuals (maybe on this mailing list) want to compile
lists of plugins that they think should be removed, then maybe we can
reach a consensus to get rid of a least some of the crud.


*2. Prevent people uploading broken plugins, which instantly become
available for anyone can install.*

As I think has already been mentioned, the Bazaar has accolades that
can only be applied by Bazaar admins.  It does not seem unreasonable
to limit the default listing you will see through a repository
Available Bazaar plugins tab is limited to those items that have
accolades, (if this is technically possible).  However, having
unallocaded plugins available if a developer deliberately changes the
Bazaar URL option for their repository would still be useful.  So if
they want to do testing of the install from the Bazaar, then they can.


*3. Make sure things from GitHub make it into the Bazaar**
*

Rory has already made the suggestion of making use of Gitaar. 
However, it sounds like even with assistance publishing a plugin to
the Bazaar is not particularly straightforward.  Looking on the wiki
to see what advice I can find shows a selection of pages under the
EPrints Bazaar category [1] but I can see that the "Getting Started"
page [2] has not had anything but minor changes for quite some time. 
I would be willing to contribute to an effort to improve these
pages.  However, this process would benefit most from incorporating
the experiences of several people to make sure all bases are covered.


*4. Make sure Bazaar plugins are regularly updated with changes made
on GitHub*

I know that there are various Bazaar plugins on the eprints GitHub
[3] that are regularly updated to the Bazaar.  I agree that having
corresponding GitHub releases and Bazaar plugin versions would be
useful, which is not currently the case with these plugins.  However,
I think there has to be some appreciation that producing the release
of a plugin does require some effort on the part of the maintainer,
so there is a need to be patient in waiting for "that pull request
you submitted last week" to make it into the plugin as installable
from the Bazaar.  I am certainly would advocate a more structured and
transparent process for managing Bazaar plugin releases that could
then lead to that plugin release receiving some sort of "gold
standard" accolade on the Bazaar.


Regards


David Newman



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On 27/03/2019 08:39, Denis Pitzalis via Eprints-tech wrote:

I agree with Rory, gitaar can be a good solution, similar to how
composer does in PHP. You develop your module on GitHub, then you
publish it in a repository (the bazaar) when you have a stable
enough version.
I take the occasion to re-propose a dependences field in the epmi so
that you know that certain plugins would work with others of certain
version etc etc.
Bottom line is that, as it is, the bazaar is not only useless to non
devs but also it sends the wrong message to the people trying to
test eprints for the first time.

Denis

Il 27 marzo 2019 09:31:27 CET, Rory McNicholl via Eprints-tech
<eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk> ha scritto:

    Hi all,

    I think that there has grown over time a disconnect between the
    developers who are updating, releasing plugin code on github and
    the bazaar. As Yuri points out this has led to out of date
    versions of things persisting on the bazaar. When someone is new
    to the platform and tries to try out a plugin, a pretty poor
    impression is given.

    Removing the bazaar is one (drastic) solution, but what I would
    propose is that it is overhauled and, most importantly, that
    there is an easy route for developers to publish from github to
    the bazaar.

    Tim MB made https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Feprintsug%2Fgitaar&amp;data=01%7C01%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C184398fe8e1e4bb83c6a08d6b29e1230%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&amp;sdata=VtUa0IWQZADgJ%2FZ1FeNuJ0Ryb9dOABf30fZvfbduckM%3D&amp;reserved=0
    <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Feprintsug%2Fgitaar&amp;data=01%7C01%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C184398fe8e1e4bb83c6a08d6b29e1230%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&amp;sdata=VtUa0IWQZADgJ%2FZ1FeNuJ0Ryb9dOABf30fZvfbduckM%3D&amp;reserved=0> a
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    make our git-based packages installable with tools/epm. This
    little app will also build epms and (in theory) pulishe them to
    the bazaar, however I've tended to come a cropper when
    attempting this last bit (from memory, versioning goes a bit
    haywire and permissions are a pain).

    However I think it is a very good start. I would suggest that
    working on gitaar *and* the bazaar so they can be used smoothly
    in tandem would really help with the quality of content on the
    bazaar. Something that would further enhance this integration
    would be tapping in to git releases/tags to help manage the
    versioning in the bazaar.

    Even with this git => bazaar integration in place, the bazaar
    could still do with a bit of a clean out, deprecating
    unsupported packages and so on. I would suggest that not having
    public a git repo should be a barrier to inclusion in the bazaar
    and further to that, there should be agreed conventions
    concerning git releases that must be met before a plugin get's
    in to the bazaar.

    Cheers,

    Rory

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    *From:* eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk
    <eprints-tech-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk> on behalf of Yuri via
    Eprints-tech <eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
    *Sent:* 27 March 2019 07:40
    *To:* eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk
    *Subject:* Re: [EP-tech] please close the Bazaar
    Excuse me but, for example, Recollect has the epmi in github but
    it is
    not syncronized with the one in Bazaar. Orcid plugins and
    Datacite on
    Bazaar are on unknown state, I cannot know if they're the latest
    with
    less bug or more features.

    If you start a new site today, will you blindly install them
    from Bazaar?

    I suggest to certify in some way the plugins which are ok, which are
    updated or current. Or have someone who does the check regularly and
    upload them on bazaar. We know developers has the skill to use
    epmi, but
    you shouldn't need to became a developer to know if a particular
    plugin
    works or if it is ok.

    If Orcid and Datacite are so important, and they are, it
    shouldn't be
    difficult to find info about how to install and use them and be sure
    you're doing the right thing.

    Note: most epmi came with a local repository config, so you've
    also to
    manage updates on config or document them clearly. Otherwise
    you've to
    be an Eprint developer with a deep knowledge of it and not a simple
    integrator.

    Il 26/03/19 18:05, Will Fyson via Eprints-tech ha scritto:
    > Hi All,
    >
    > I think there is a positive case to be made for the Bazaar - it
    > remains one of the easiest ways to package and deploy content in a
    > modular fashion and is used quite routinely by a number of
    > repositories and developers. A number of recent developments
    such as
    > the Generic Reporting Framework, ORCID plugins, DataCite DOI
    plugin
    > and the REF plugins (admittedly REF is only of interest to UK
    > institutions) have been quite popular - and I believe there may be
    > some new plugins on the way soon such as a plugin to support
    Digital
    > Science's Dimensions badges. Working on a Bazaar plugin is
    also quite
    > a useful focal point for developers from different
    organisations and
    > institutions to collaborate on a particular bit of
    functionality where
    > there is shared interest.
    >
    > However I agree that there is a lot of old stuff in the repository
    > that is no longer supported, out-of-date or buggy. We introduced a
    > concept of accolades to try and make it clear which plugins are
    > approved, supported and useful, and it should be possible to
    filter
    > Bazaar plugins by accolades, as listed in the "Available" tab
    of an
    > EPrints repository's admin Bazaar interface via a dropdown menu on
    > EPrints 3.3.14+.  We'll look into making further changes to the
    > "Available" Bazaar interface however to try and include more
    metadata
    > (such as documentation links), and to filter out any plugins
    without
    > an accolade by default.
    >
    > Many thanks,
    >
    > Will
    >
    >
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    > *From:* Denis Pitzalis Via Eprints-tech
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    > Eprints-tech <eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk> *Subject:* Re:
    [EP-tech]
    > please close the Bazaar
    >
    > +1
    >
    > On 25/03/2019 17:06, Yuri via Eprints-tech wrote:
    >> Please do it.
    >>
    >> It is full of old and buggy plugins. In github you've all the
    plugin
    >> updated but Bazaar shows no update on them. No button  to
    check if a new
    >> version is available and no documentation on how to discover
    it. How can
    >> this works?
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